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		<title>By: abet</title>
		<link>http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/06/27/my-citibank-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-54319</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 14:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my gosh! could you please help me!
After reading this, I am actually freaking out now! It seemed like resolving problems with them when it comes to bills is hard to finish!

I am a Citi Gold Visa cardholder and during payment due date, I have paid 26000. Then this month, a bill came again telling me to pay the same amount!
We tried to contact their hotline this day but it was always very busy. I would really hate to accumulate late payment dues when we actually have paid the amount. Im freaking out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh! could you please help me!<br />
After reading this, I am actually freaking out now! It seemed like resolving problems with them when it comes to bills is hard to finish!</p>
<p>I am a Citi Gold Visa cardholder and during payment due date, I have paid 26000. Then this month, a bill came again telling me to pay the same amount!<br />
We tried to contact their hotline this day but it was always very busy. I would really hate to accumulate late payment dues when we actually have paid the amount. Im freaking out!</p>
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		<title>By: HoMe_BoY</title>
		<link>http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/06/27/my-citibank-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-43366</link>
		<dc:creator>HoMe_BoY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be in Citibank, specifically CitiPhone, the department who handles the calls of customers when they call 995-9999. In my two years of service, let me just share with you some unfair practices of their credit card. also, you can verify what i wrote here by calling 995-9999 and pressing 2 for lost cards (this actually connects you to a CPO (citiphone officer) the fastest, regardless if it&#039;s a lost card line. first, the finance charge. scenario: you&#039;ve used your card from jan 1 to jan 30, our billing period. your due date is on feb 20, and your total amount due is  Php 10,000.00. you paid 9,800.00, which makes your payment short by 200 pesos. other banks would base the computation of their finance charge on the 200, but here is how Citibank does it. they still charge you based on the 10,000.00, PLUS the transactions that you&#039;ve already made for the period of feb 1 to feb 28! another thing, is when you have a transaction in installment, or paylite, as they call it. this transaction is already charged a separate interest because it&#039;s already in installment, but this transaction is still included when they compute for finance charges! now that&#039;s double charging of interest! probably the worst that they have done is when you have something converted into installment or paylite. for example, you have a 12,000 transaction which you want to pay for 12 mos at 1.5 interest per month. to get the monthly installment amount, you multiply 12,000 by 0.015, and add that result to 1000 (12,000 divided by 12 mos). the result is equal payments of 1,180 every month. now here is the tricky part that citibank has changed about their computation. that have made a TEMPLATE (which is not available to the public) which computes the interest and the principal amount in a diminishing factor, but still results in the same 1,180 every month. sounds like nothing&#039;s wrong, right? WRONG. 80% of the time, people who have installment transactions end their payments early, or what citibank calls PRETERMINATION, which is paying for your transactions in advance. Citibank then charges a pretermination fee based on the remaining principal amount on the transaction, without the interest. BUT SINCE THEY COMPUTE IT IN WITH A DIMINISHING FACTOR, THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY LARGER THAN IT 
SHOULD BE! this results in a bigger pretermination fee, because it&#039;s based on the remaining principal amount, only bloated. 
about the annual fees: Citibank actually never waives your annual membership fees, or AMF, unless your credit card limit is above 500,000.00, and you spend at least 100,000 every month, and pay everything the next month. you can also ask this to the CPO, but he or she&#039;ll deny this and say that citibank never waives AMF&#039;s for anyone.

this information is actually illustrated on the back of the statements, under FINANCE CHARGE and PAYLITE. if you want to verify this, you can call 995-9999 and ask the CPO (citiphone officer). to talk immediately to a cpo, just press 2. no matter what the automated machine tells you, the person you&#039;re passed to for a lost card is a plain CPO who can address any concern. believe me, i know the system inside out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be in Citibank, specifically CitiPhone, the department who handles the calls of customers when they call 995-9999. In my two years of service, let me just share with you some unfair practices of their credit card. also, you can verify what i wrote here by calling 995-9999 and pressing 2 for lost cards (this actually connects you to a CPO (citiphone officer) the fastest, regardless if it&#8217;s a lost card line. first, the finance charge. scenario: you&#8217;ve used your card from jan 1 to jan 30, our billing period. your due date is on feb 20, and your total amount due is  Php 10,000.00. you paid 9,800.00, which makes your payment short by 200 pesos. other banks would base the computation of their finance charge on the 200, but here is how Citibank does it. they still charge you based on the 10,000.00, PLUS the transactions that you&#8217;ve already made for the period of feb 1 to feb 28! another thing, is when you have a transaction in installment, or paylite, as they call it. this transaction is already charged a separate interest because it&#8217;s already in installment, but this transaction is still included when they compute for finance charges! now that&#8217;s double charging of interest! probably the worst that they have done is when you have something converted into installment or paylite. for example, you have a 12,000 transaction which you want to pay for 12 mos at 1.5 interest per month. to get the monthly installment amount, you multiply 12,000 by 0.015, and add that result to 1000 (12,000 divided by 12 mos). the result is equal payments of 1,180 every month. now here is the tricky part that citibank has changed about their computation. that have made a TEMPLATE (which is not available to the public) which computes the interest and the principal amount in a diminishing factor, but still results in the same 1,180 every month. sounds like nothing&#8217;s wrong, right? WRONG. 80% of the time, people who have installment transactions end their payments early, or what citibank calls PRETERMINATION, which is paying for your transactions in advance. Citibank then charges a pretermination fee based on the remaining principal amount on the transaction, without the interest. BUT SINCE THEY COMPUTE IT IN WITH A DIMINISHING FACTOR, THE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY LARGER THAN IT<br />
SHOULD BE! this results in a bigger pretermination fee, because it&#8217;s based on the remaining principal amount, only bloated.<br />
about the annual fees: Citibank actually never waives your annual membership fees, or AMF, unless your credit card limit is above 500,000.00, and you spend at least 100,000 every month, and pay everything the next month. you can also ask this to the CPO, but he or she&#8217;ll deny this and say that citibank never waives AMF&#8217;s for anyone.</p>
<p>this information is actually illustrated on the back of the statements, under FINANCE CHARGE and PAYLITE. if you want to verify this, you can call 995-9999 and ask the CPO (citiphone officer). to talk immediately to a cpo, just press 2. no matter what the automated machine tells you, the person you&#8217;re passed to for a lost card is a plain CPO who can address any concern. believe me, i know the system inside out.</p>
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		<title>By: MAT</title>
		<link>http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/06/27/my-citibank-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-41949</link>
		<dc:creator>MAT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to share with you my Citibank VISA experience.

First history was with my Citibank checking account.

I got a car loan for 2 years using my Citibank checking account issuing post dated checks without any problem.  After completing the 2 years, I continued using my checks for a housing loan.  And after issuing the first 12 months checks (January to December), I got a call from my mother that my July check had problem so I checked my account activities through their internet banking to confirm that my checking account has enough funds.  After confirming that the amount was withdrawn from my account and on the following day it was returned with less P2,000.00, I called up the customer service (and again using my own money as they don&#039;t have international toll free number anymore) to asked what happened.  At first they told me that there was no fund. So I asked them to review the activities and they apologized for the misinformation.  So they investigated again and made another reason &quot;SIGNATURE DIFFERS&quot; with a penalty of P2,000.00.  Isn&#039;t it an easy money without verifying from their customer about the issued check if it is valid or not before imposing a penalty?

So now I pulled out all the remaining checks and paying my housing loan in cash.  It was really so uncomfortable!!!!

My second history was with my Citibank VISA.  Just like The Warrior Lawyer, I&#039;ve been a VISA credit card holder of Citibank Philippines for 11 years.

Learning from experience, as much as possible, not to have past due to avoid compounded interest because there was an instance where the interest is much bigger than the remaining or outstanding balance.

Usually, I am using my credit card for online transactions and because I am out of the country, I am requesting my sister-in-law to pay the dues for me.  Never knowing the policy of Citibank for consecutive late payments, I had 2 consecutive past dues for June &amp; July 2008 that leads to suspension of my credit card.  And since they don&#039;t have the international toll free number anymore, I spent my own money making international call to their customer service 995-9999 to discuss about my credit card status.  They told me that upon paying the outstanding balance in full, my account will be reactivated after 3 months.  So I payed the full amount last August and expecting that the credit card will be reactivated by November.  It means that I will not be able to use it until November.

Around Nov 20, I called up the customer service again to confirm the exact date of the reactivation.  Surprisingly, they informed me that my account will be suspended again for another 3 months because there was a late payment again last September for the automatic billing from one of my online account.  Isn&#039;t it weird that even if your account is suspended, and without being notified, online services can still use your credit card?  And you know what the customer service told me why it happened?  &quot;THERE ARE MINIMAL AMOUNT OUR SYSTEM IS ACCEPTING EVEN IF THE ACCOUNT IS SUSPENDED.&quot;  What the hell!!! How true was that?

I guess they want to terminate my account as they are not earning big interest from my account and I felt that they really don&#039;t care with a customer like me even if I am paying the annual fee.

After being fed up with their reasoning, I decided to cancel my one and only credit card for 11 years and will apply for a new non-Citibank credit card.

With these, I am now preparing to transfer my savings from this bank to another bank which will provide me security and good customer service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to share with you my Citibank VISA experience.</p>
<p>First history was with my Citibank checking account.</p>
<p>I got a car loan for 2 years using my Citibank checking account issuing post dated checks without any problem.  After completing the 2 years, I continued using my checks for a housing loan.  And after issuing the first 12 months checks (January to December), I got a call from my mother that my July check had problem so I checked my account activities through their internet banking to confirm that my checking account has enough funds.  After confirming that the amount was withdrawn from my account and on the following day it was returned with less P2,000.00, I called up the customer service (and again using my own money as they don&#8217;t have international toll free number anymore) to asked what happened.  At first they told me that there was no fund. So I asked them to review the activities and they apologized for the misinformation.  So they investigated again and made another reason &#8220;SIGNATURE DIFFERS&#8221; with a penalty of P2,000.00.  Isn&#8217;t it an easy money without verifying from their customer about the issued check if it is valid or not before imposing a penalty?</p>
<p>So now I pulled out all the remaining checks and paying my housing loan in cash.  It was really so uncomfortable!!!!</p>
<p>My second history was with my Citibank VISA.  Just like The Warrior Lawyer, I&#8217;ve been a VISA credit card holder of Citibank Philippines for 11 years.</p>
<p>Learning from experience, as much as possible, not to have past due to avoid compounded interest because there was an instance where the interest is much bigger than the remaining or outstanding balance.</p>
<p>Usually, I am using my credit card for online transactions and because I am out of the country, I am requesting my sister-in-law to pay the dues for me.  Never knowing the policy of Citibank for consecutive late payments, I had 2 consecutive past dues for June &amp; July 2008 that leads to suspension of my credit card.  And since they don&#8217;t have the international toll free number anymore, I spent my own money making international call to their customer service 995-9999 to discuss about my credit card status.  They told me that upon paying the outstanding balance in full, my account will be reactivated after 3 months.  So I payed the full amount last August and expecting that the credit card will be reactivated by November.  It means that I will not be able to use it until November.</p>
<p>Around Nov 20, I called up the customer service again to confirm the exact date of the reactivation.  Surprisingly, they informed me that my account will be suspended again for another 3 months because there was a late payment again last September for the automatic billing from one of my online account.  Isn&#8217;t it weird that even if your account is suspended, and without being notified, online services can still use your credit card?  And you know what the customer service told me why it happened?  &#8220;THERE ARE MINIMAL AMOUNT OUR SYSTEM IS ACCEPTING EVEN IF THE ACCOUNT IS SUSPENDED.&#8221;  What the hell!!! How true was that?</p>
<p>I guess they want to terminate my account as they are not earning big interest from my account and I felt that they really don&#8217;t care with a customer like me even if I am paying the annual fee.</p>
<p>After being fed up with their reasoning, I decided to cancel my one and only credit card for 11 years and will apply for a new non-Citibank credit card.</p>
<p>With these, I am now preparing to transfer my savings from this bank to another bank which will provide me security and good customer service.</p>
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		<title>By: cj</title>
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		<dc:creator>cj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go! they certainly deserve it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go! they certainly deserve it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like horrible customer service.</description>
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		<title>By: venice</title>
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		<dc:creator>venice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow OK... so you&#039;ve been incurring charges since Nov 2007, that&#039;s a lot. So, are you getting calls from collections? I&#039;m sure they are calling you cuz its considered a past due account.

if your agreement with the first CPO you spoke to is that the annual fee will be waived once you settled your balance... the CPO shouldve waived it. now this depends on how soon you were able to settle your balance. if your agreement was you&#039;ll settle the balance asap say, within the month or before your next cycle then the CPO could&#039;ve monitored your account and waived the annual fee. since the first CPO failed to do so, the CPOs that you spoke to every month could&#039;ve validated/reviewed your account since Nov of last yr and do reversals since Nov starting with the annual fee then go month by month with the charges incurred. 

i dont know why they didn&#039;t do their jobs... did they explain to you why they couldnt reverse/waive it? 

now, it will be hard for them to verify the annual fee issue because its been over 6 months...

i know you wouldn&#039;t want to call 995-9999 but you should make sure that all the charges are reversed or its noted in your account that the charges are based on a charge that wasnt reversed/waived. my advice is if you decide to call them, insist on talking to a supervisor regarding your issue, take note of the complete name of the supervisor too. 

this is very important because not only will it possibly affect your credit rating, i also know a lot of cases of card holders whose accounts were forwarded to collections just because of a charge that wasnt reversed/waived and it incurred charges. of course the card holders refuse to pay for it but what they don&#039;t know is its considered as a &#039;past due&#039; by the system. the system doesnt know that its because of something that wasnt reversed, it only reads it as you didn&#039;t pay for it you know.

btw, i&#039;m not connected with citibank just in case youre wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow OK&#8230; so you&#8217;ve been incurring charges since Nov 2007, that&#8217;s a lot. So, are you getting calls from collections? I&#8217;m sure they are calling you cuz its considered a past due account.</p>
<p>if your agreement with the first CPO you spoke to is that the annual fee will be waived once you settled your balance&#8230; the CPO shouldve waived it. now this depends on how soon you were able to settle your balance. if your agreement was you&#8217;ll settle the balance asap say, within the month or before your next cycle then the CPO could&#8217;ve monitored your account and waived the annual fee. since the first CPO failed to do so, the CPOs that you spoke to every month could&#8217;ve validated/reviewed your account since Nov of last yr and do reversals since Nov starting with the annual fee then go month by month with the charges incurred. </p>
<p>i dont know why they didn&#8217;t do their jobs&#8230; did they explain to you why they couldnt reverse/waive it? </p>
<p>now, it will be hard for them to verify the annual fee issue because its been over 6 months&#8230;</p>
<p>i know you wouldn&#8217;t want to call 995-9999 but you should make sure that all the charges are reversed or its noted in your account that the charges are based on a charge that wasnt reversed/waived. my advice is if you decide to call them, insist on talking to a supervisor regarding your issue, take note of the complete name of the supervisor too. </p>
<p>this is very important because not only will it possibly affect your credit rating, i also know a lot of cases of card holders whose accounts were forwarded to collections just because of a charge that wasnt reversed/waived and it incurred charges. of course the card holders refuse to pay for it but what they don&#8217;t know is its considered as a &#8216;past due&#8217; by the system. the system doesnt know that its because of something that wasnt reversed, it only reads it as you didn&#8217;t pay for it you know.</p>
<p>btw, i&#8217;m not connected with citibank just in case youre wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: Em Dy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Em Dy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A formal complaint (copy furnished to the main office) usually works for me. It&#039;s rare that I feel customer service agents are doing their job. Most of the time I feel they just want the conversation to end. Writing a formal complaint leaves a trail and once it reaches the proper office, everything seems to move fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A formal complaint (copy furnished to the main office) usually works for me. It&#8217;s rare that I feel customer service agents are doing their job. Most of the time I feel they just want the conversation to end. Writing a formal complaint leaves a trail and once it reaches the proper office, everything seems to move fast.</p>
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		<title>By: niz</title>
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		<dc:creator>niz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi. am juz wondering. are they really suing the people who havent been able to pay? are the auto generated lawfirm letters saying that the matter is on court now true? or just bluff.

because on the company side, i believe that for every credit they extend , theres always a doubtful accounts set up for it. and write it off if its uncollectible. 
im just thinking of the accounting side of things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi. am juz wondering. are they really suing the people who havent been able to pay? are the auto generated lawfirm letters saying that the matter is on court now true? or just bluff.</p>
<p>because on the company side, i believe that for every credit they extend , theres always a doubtful accounts set up for it. and write it off if its uncollectible.<br />
im just thinking of the accounting side of things.</p>
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		<title>By: The Warrior Lawyer</title>
		<link>http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/06/27/my-citibank-horror-story/comment-page-1/#comment-26878</link>
		<dc:creator>The Warrior Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ THEGREATEST, someone who introduced himself as a collection agent actually called my office and harassed me about my account. I told him off and he never called back. I&#039;m waiting for Citibank to sue and save me the filing fee. I&#039;ll be ready with my counter-charges 

@ Jane, a credit card, used judiciously, can actually be a great convenience. But it&#039;s hard not to abuse it, what with so many tempting goodies to be had with just a swipe of your plastic. Of course, the reckoning comes soon after.

@ WITSANDNUTS, I&#039;m not at all surprised.  Citibank is loathe to let anyone go, even those who should be allowed to rest in peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ THEGREATEST, someone who introduced himself as a collection agent actually called my office and harassed me about my account. I told him off and he never called back. I&#8217;m waiting for Citibank to sue and save me the filing fee. I&#8217;ll be ready with my counter-charges </p>
<p>@ Jane, a credit card, used judiciously, can actually be a great convenience. But it&#8217;s hard not to abuse it, what with so many tempting goodies to be had with just a swipe of your plastic. Of course, the reckoning comes soon after.</p>
<p>@ WITSANDNUTS, I&#8217;m not at all surprised.  Citibank is loathe to let anyone go, even those who should be allowed to rest in peace.</p>
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		<title>By: witsandnuts</title>
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		<dc:creator>witsandnuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That happened to one of my friends also.  CTB finally reversed the charges after ages.  Worse is, they still bill for the annual dues to a dead accountholder even if they were long been informed about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That happened to one of my friends also.  CTB finally reversed the charges after ages.  Worse is, they still bill for the annual dues to a dead accountholder even if they were long been informed about it.</p>
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