Comments on: Move to Intervene in Arroyo Impeachment Quashed http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/11/19/move-to-intervene-in-arroyo-impeachment-quashed/ Lawyer in the Philippines Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:36:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: House Justice Committee Dismisses Impeachment Complaint Against President Arroyo » The Warrior Lawyer | Philippine Lawyer http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/11/19/move-to-intervene-in-arroyo-impeachment-quashed/comment-page-1/#comment-39551 House Justice Committee Dismisses Impeachment Complaint Against President Arroyo » The Warrior Lawyer | Philippine Lawyer Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:06:56 +0000 http://thewarriorlawyer.com/?p=1038#comment-39551 [...] many suspected, the thwarting of the intervention move which sought to include the unconstitutionality of the BJE MOA in the impeachable offenses [...] [...] many suspected, the thwarting of the intervention move which sought to include the unconstitutionality of the BJE MOA in the impeachable offenses [...]

]]> By: Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose » Today's Dose » Designed to fail and failing by design http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/11/19/move-to-intervene-in-arroyo-impeachment-quashed/comment-page-1/#comment-39084 Manuel L. Quezon III: The Daily Dose » Today's Dose » Designed to fail and failing by design Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:04:29 +0000 http://thewarriorlawyer.com/?p=1038#comment-39084 [...] the events: Arroyo allies go for the kill: House panel quickly junks 3 more impeach raps. Blogger The Warrior Lawyer sees it for what it is: prelude to the throwing out of the impeachment complaint. What’s [...] [...] the events: Arroyo allies go for the kill: House panel quickly junks 3 more impeach raps. Blogger The Warrior Lawyer sees it for what it is: prelude to the throwing out of the impeachment complaint. What’s [...]

]]> By: Current » Designed to fail and failing by design http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/11/19/move-to-intervene-in-arroyo-impeachment-quashed/comment-page-1/#comment-39081 Current » Designed to fail and failing by design Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:49:50 +0000 http://thewarriorlawyer.com/?p=1038#comment-39081 [...] the events: Arroyo allies go for the kill: House panel quickly junks 3 more impeach raps. Blogger The Warrior Lawyer sees it for what it is: prelude to the throwing out of the impeachment complaint. What’s [...] [...] the events: Arroyo allies go for the kill: House panel quickly junks 3 more impeach raps. Blogger The Warrior Lawyer sees it for what it is: prelude to the throwing out of the impeachment complaint. What’s [...]

]]> By: Capolegis http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/11/19/move-to-intervene-in-arroyo-impeachment-quashed/comment-page-1/#comment-39071 Capolegis Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:08:30 +0000 http://thewarriorlawyer.com/?p=1038#comment-39071 I thought we have moved away from the strict construction of political question doctrine in impeachment cases. The Davide 2nd impeachment case comes to mind. There the doctrine was raised by the proponents of the 2nd impeachment but the Supremes took the case and actually ruled in favor of those who opposed the 2nd impeachment. The ruling was grounded on supremacy doctrine because the then house rules on impeachment was contrary to the constitutional 1-year 1-impeachment limit. I think it is probable the Supremes will also take this Intervention not only because of the constitutional substance involved but that the Tongmen may have again engaged in sloppy reading of the fundamental law. I thought we have moved away from the strict construction of political question doctrine in impeachment cases. The Davide 2nd impeachment case comes to mind. There the doctrine was raised by the proponents of the 2nd impeachment but the Supremes took the case and actually ruled in favor of those who opposed the 2nd impeachment. The ruling was grounded on supremacy doctrine because the then house rules on impeachment was contrary to the constitutional 1-year 1-impeachment limit. I think it is probable the Supremes will also take this Intervention not only because of the constitutional substance involved but that the Tongmen may have again engaged in sloppy reading of the fundamental law.

]]> By: the warrior lawyer http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/11/19/move-to-intervene-in-arroyo-impeachment-quashed/comment-page-1/#comment-39056 the warrior lawyer Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:42:34 +0000 http://thewarriorlawyer.com/?p=1038#comment-39056 Your arguments are correct, Capolegis. However, Arroyo's allies in the House have taken an overly technical approach (no surprise, as this gives them an excuse to dismiss the intervention outright). The fact that the intervention has a heading of "Complaint-in-Intervention" instead of "motion" for intervention didn't help any. It was just a motion to intervene but the committee on justice chose to see it differently. As for bringing it to the SC, this is entirely possible. Although the probable reaction of the High Court is that impeachment is an inherently political question and it would be loath to encroach on the powers and prerogatives of a co-equal branch. Your arguments are correct, Capolegis. However, Arroyo’s allies in the House have taken an overly technical approach (no surprise, as this gives them an excuse to dismiss the intervention outright). The fact that the intervention has a heading of “Complaint-in-Intervention” instead of “motion” for intervention didn’t help any. It was just a motion to intervene but the committee on justice chose to see it differently. As for bringing it to the SC, this is entirely possible. Although the probable reaction of the High Court is that impeachment is an inherently political question and it would be loath to encroach on the powers and prerogatives of a co-equal branch.

]]> By: Capolegis http://thewarriorlawyer.com/2008/11/19/move-to-intervene-in-arroyo-impeachment-quashed/comment-page-1/#comment-39006 Capolegis Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:41:12 +0000 http://thewarriorlawyer.com/?p=1038#comment-39006 I think the bloggers/intervenors should take their case to the Supreme Court to challenge the constitutionality of the House rules on the issue of "proceedings." The constitution bans only initiating more than one impeachment "proceeding" within one year. The intervention was filed in the same proceeding in which the (intervention) cause could be taken up along with the other causes in the main complaint or be incorporated/included as one item in the set of charges in one complaint. The idea that intervention is a separate proceeding, I think, has been a long-held fiction in the law books. How could it be a separate proceeding when by its very nature it attaches to an existing case or proceeding. In fact the propriety of (the motion for) intervention is determined in the same prior exisiting case or proceeding. You don't file an intervention in an existing intervention case. There is no such thing. There is no stand-alone/separate proceeding intervention case. The very idea bothers the mind. The Tongressmen may have been engaged in a faulty reading of the constitution for a long time. The Supremes should bring enlightenment to the House of Tong. I think the bloggers/intervenors should take their case to the Supreme Court to challenge the constitutionality of the House rules on the issue of “proceedings.” The constitution bans only initiating more than one impeachment “proceeding” within one year. The intervention was filed in the same proceeding in which the (intervention) cause could be taken up along with the other causes in the main complaint or be incorporated/included as one item in the set of charges in one complaint. The idea that intervention is a separate proceeding, I think, has been a long-held fiction in the law books. How could it be a separate proceeding when by its very nature it attaches to an existing case or proceeding. In fact the propriety of (the motion for) intervention is determined in the same prior exisiting case or proceeding. You don’t file an intervention in an existing intervention case. There is no such thing. There is no stand-alone/separate proceeding intervention case. The very idea bothers the mind.

The Tongressmen may have been engaged in a faulty reading of the constitution for a long time. The Supremes should bring enlightenment to the House of Tong.

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